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Snooth User: no french wine

Jammy

Posted by no french wine, Jan 18.

I like what I'm told is referred to a "jammy" wine. One example is Altmura. I know it's not sweet however to me it has somewhat of a sweet taste. Any recommendations of some wine to try? 

 

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Reply by dvogler, Jan 18.

I would recommend Mollydooker "The Boxer", Stag's Leap Petit Syrah, Michael David "Petit-Petit", or an Amarone that's well decanted, preferably eight years old.

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Reply by RandyFisher, Jan 18.

The French have it too. Try a Cotes du Rhône.

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Reply by EMark, Jan 18.

To me, many Zinfandels from the Lodi region are jammy.

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Reply by zufrieden, Jan 18.

Darren, your reference to Molly Dooker is the first I've seen; I confess to liking the "high test" Shiraz you mentioned.  EMark, you'd love this wine if you like powerful Zin (that is, of course, at least balanced).

Another inexpensive sortie into high alcohol, menthol-infused Shiraz is a somewhat lesser example by a large-scale producer (Skulls).

Z.

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Reply by dvogler, Jan 19.

Yeah EMark, I was thinking Seghesio :) (although not Lodi)

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Reply by rckr1951, Jan 19.

Just drank a wonderful Chilean Carmenere that wasn't jammy at all.

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Reply by zufrieden, Jan 19.

BTW, I was seeking out a Carmenere (like the Tarapaca you suggested, RCKR1951), but could not find anything that was bone dry and from either single vineyard or otherwise good provenance from Chile.  Of course, I can order, but that seems like too much work.  When I go down to Seattle in a week or two, I'll investigate some purchases of this kind - ones unavailable to me here.

My imperfect (but generally good) memory suggests that Carmenere is not jammy, but rather tense and medicinal with lots of wild berry.  But then, I need to reboot.

 

Z.

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Reply by vin0vin0, Jan 20.

NO FRENCH, if you're looking for jammy, rich and ripe, anything from any of the Wagner family will fit the bill, including their white wines.  Look for Copper Cane, Caymus, Elouan, Conundrum and Mer Soleil.

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Reply by rckr1951, Jan 20.

After re-reading your initial post I realized that your experience is quite common. Many wine sort of "sweeten" up at the end.  There always some residual sugar in grapes and tasting something slightly sweet at the end normal for many of them.

I, in fact, like a wine that gives me a tweak of sweetness - dark cherry being my favorite taste for that element.  Not all wines do of course - the carmenere I posted about above was one.

It's not something I'd worry about - it's your taste buds and palate that has to be satisfied after all.

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Reply by dvogler, Jan 20.

Zuf,

Might I recommend the Montes Purple Angel?  At Total Wine in Seattle it's $70 USD (pre-tax), so over $100 CDN.  At BC Liquor, it's $85 CDN (pre-tax).  No brainer.  James Suckling gave it 99 pts.  However, as our esteemed Foxall declared at the syrah event at OT's, "Suckling rated a spit bucket 94!".

The only things worth buying in the US are Washington and California wine.  Go to a Total Wine and check out the prices for Bordeaux or anything imported and large.  It's typically the same dollar figure (or more) and add 33% on top.  Get some great Washington bottles that we can't get in BC.

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Reply by zufrieden, Jan 20.

Yes, Montes Purple Angel (Angel Morado?) 2015 is highly touted, and I have had a couple of bottles in the past.,,, though not in about ten years.  The wine is very fine, and I was thinking about it yesterday... before reading some of these forum posts.  Many cheaper Carmenere are a bit sweet, but there is a somewhat noticeable semblance on the palate with Merlot.  Maybe I'll plug for a Purple Angel '15... though I will have to travel to Vancouver or Abbotsford to get it.  Still, an outing is an outing, with the wonderfully dry and slightly above average temperatures, quite a nice activity, really, expecially with the sports car I rarely get to use.  As for pricing, yes... many of the wines imported from abroad are no bargains in the USA with a 75.5 cent C$.  A few years back, this was, of course, not the case.  The BCL (liquor board) also became a bit sensitive to criticism of its absurd, monopolistic pricing during the run-up of the C$ some ten to twelve years ago.

I also generally agree with that sweetness effect, ROCKR1951... a lot of times, it is just the timing; the second glass, maybe a couple of hours exposure to the air etc.  And I had almost entirely forgotten about Purple Angel.  

Darren, as for Suckling, always deduct at least about 8 points to get close to consensus.  Also, one needs to find out which "critics" have palates similar to thine own...

Cheers,

 

Z.

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Reply by GregT, Jan 23.

Vinovino nailed it. Anything from the Wagners, whether red or white or in between. Sweet, syrupy and if that's your thing, OK.

And the Sparky Marquis wines mentioned - Mollydooker and the rest. Also if you want to pay a lot of money, Martinelli Zinfandel that comes in at 17.5 alcohol. At a little less, Margerum M5 and a lot of things from CA and WA these days.

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Reply by zufrieden, Jan 24.

That syrup was a problem in many southern Rhone wines too... seems less of a problem of late, however.  I am not a great fan of this style (the syrup, the alcohol, I mean), but many of my journeyman friends are; maybe you just need to work up a sweat pounding a hammer or climbing walls to wire a building.

In general, though not my favourite, I can enjoy the Sparky Marquis thing.

Z.

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Reply by dvogler, Jan 26.

I don't prefer the Boxer.  I prefer Blue Eyed Boy and Carnival of Love.  When are you coming over to the island for some real estate recon?

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Reply by GregT, Jan 26.

Real estate recon or BC wine recon!

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Reply by dvogler, Jan 27.

There is a big wine event on the island in February which I told Zuf about and he expressed interest!  (Hey, Zuf, did you peruse the on-line page for Parksville Uncorked?)

BC wine recon would be in the Okanagan Valley.  Greg, if you come up, we'll do that for sure. 

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Reply by duncan 906, Jan 28.

I do not understand what you people have got against French wine. Is this an American prejudice?

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Reply by zufrieden, Jan 28.

Hey Darren (and Greg) - we are about to sell the house in Coquitlam (probably sometime in February).  In March (Canadian Spring Break for public schools) we will be on "the Island" looking into some real estate options.  We may even rent for a year if necessary.

Regarding that event in Parksville (which, for those of you others, is a town near Nanaimo - the second largest city of Vancouver Island - and about 75 miles from Victoria (which is on the southern tip of Vancouver Island and also the Provincial Capital) - I am interested.  The problem might be the distraction of listing our property.  However, I will take a look at the Uncorked website for Parksville.

I don't want to muck things up too much - but I was rather down for the count for a few weeks as well with some kind of deadly plague.  Over that now, but the voice is still recovering (no jokes now).

Now Duncan 906, you are probably right that not a few North Americans (especially our brothers and sisters in the USA... I am Canadian, but don't hold that against me) ignore French wine because they have so much of their own wine to drink - much of which is extremely fine in quality.  But in my case, and in the cases of at least two other people who recently commented, I am a great admirer of almost everything French - especially the wines of Bordeaux, Burgundy and Rhone (although many other regions also make fine wine).  We probably just got a bit sidetracked.

For the record, my currently small stash of wine (now, lamentably, less than 100 bottles) is about 85% French.  So I am with you on French wines.

Cheers!

 

Z/M

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Reply by dvogler, Jan 28.

Zuf,

That H1N1 is going around still.  If I end up with it, you might as well take my place at the Parksville event.  Too bad the government put the foreign buyer's tax in place.  Things sure slowed down since.  Let me know if and when you're going to be in Victoria.

I have only five bottles of French, currently a St Estephe, St. Emillion, CdP, Haut Medoc and Ermitage.

I have nothing against French wine at all.  In fact, one of my favourite wines in 2018 was a 2004 Chateau Cabezac Minervois Cuvee Arthur. 

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Reply by EMark, Jan 29.

I do not understand what you people have got against French wine. Is this an American prejudice?

Duncan, it is not clear to any of us what the OP's agenda is.  He/she apparently picked that as his/her Snooth handle, made one post and has left.

I think most people have wine preferences--I know that I certainly do--but I would not describe the attitude of most Snooth participants as prejudicial.  I think that to a very large extent, preferences are based on availability.  I "prefer" California wines because I live in California, and, so, there is an incredible selection of California wines that are easily available to me.  The operative word in that last sentence is "easily."  If I am lazy, then so be it.

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