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Oakland surges ahead

Posted by dmcker, Jun 5.

Something else for Fox to take pride in regarding his home: Oakland is apparently now the second community in America to legalize shroomies. Magic mushrooms. Carlos Castaneda's brujo fuel of choice (even more than peyote). Considering that legalized cannabis is now impacting alcohol consumption in certain ways, don't we wonder how this may affect things over time?

Isn't it about time for us to have a thread here to talk about legal substances other than alcohol, what and how they are, their future commercial prospects, how they may interact with or affect wine, and hell, whether stelvins or corks are better?

Opening the floor to discussion.

And Fox, watch out for those lines at shroomie retail outlets the week before Burning Man!

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Reply by dvogler, Jun 6.

I think Richard, even if he had a predilection for mind-altering substances, would exercise utmost discretion and not talk publicly about it.

I also don't partake, other than ethyl alcohol derived from ripe grapes.  I'm fully aware of the hypocrisy of condescending those who use other things and I don't denigrate them.  It's just not my thing. 

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Reply by GregT, Jun 6.

Yeah, maybe I may have tried some of those in my life. And one time may have been when I picked them with a lovely young farm girl from Louisiana who asked if I wanted to pick mushrooms and I thought she meant for cooking. We went into a cow pasture and pick these monstrous things that we washed in a stream and well, that was that.

And maybe I may have tried some of those to go see Iggy and the Stooges or some other acts back in the day.

But I'm not really sure and these days the only alcohol I drink is wine and I don't take any other mind-altering things.

Part of the reason is that you don't necessarily drink wine to get drunk or unable to function, although it's a possibility if you over indulge. But the whole point of most other things is to become unable to function.

Like if you were to eat some peyote buttons and then drive down the street and swerve into a parked car and then pull over to buy a soft ice cream cone dipped in chocolate while it's raining and the owner of the car is standing in the rain cursing and you're under the awning eating ice cream and looking at him like a bird.

I've heard stories like that.

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Reply by dvogler, Jun 6.

How's that BC Winery blog coming Greg?  ;)

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Reply by dmcker, Jun 6.

Maybe he's too busy trying some of those funghi harvested from the Oakland hillsides this season? Speaking avian while slurping icecream and trying to remember where it was he actually swerved into the parking lots of up in that crazy Indian-named Okanagan! But where were all the First Nations members, anyway? Wonder why the valley they named is trying to become the old Napa in this day and age where there's so much life beyond cab and merlot? And why didn't he hear any Stooges music playing up there, anyway? Maybe he should've extended the road trip down to Ann Arbor to chase them down. But then wouldn't it be better to collect his attorney, Dr. Gonzo, for a trip of that nature? Too confusing, need more clarity, another bag of the psilocybe cubensis, please!

Errh, how do you say that in avian, again?

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Reply by vin0vin0, Jun 6.

DM, you're killing me here.  ; )

If you get that Ann Arbor road trip going let me know, I know a couple good spots to hang out.  Would have been awesome to see Iggy being fronted by Patti Smith and Fred Sonic, either straight or in an altered state.

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Reply by dvogler, Jun 6.

Care to regale us with your experimentation VV?  Surely it was in the Summer of Love ;)

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Reply by GregT, Jun 8.

I went to Ann Arbor many times. That's where I used to see Iggy actually, since I lived in Detroit at the time. Sometimes he'd play at this place called the Michigan Palace. New York Dolls and all those folks. In fact, at the risk of dating myself, there was a big concert to support John Sinclair, who was as Lennon sang "It ain't fair, John Sinclair. In the stir for breathing air."

Sinclair, for those who don't know, was the founder of the White Panthers and wrote a book called Guitar Army. He was offered two joints by some undercover cops, accepted them and was arrested on the spot. Total set up but he ended up doing time and they had all these bands show up to do a concert to raise money to get him out. Lennon was the final act, which was sometime around 3 AM. i got home when it was light out and rather than go to bed, sat on the couch and read the paper that arrived a few minutes after I got home. Then I went to take the SAT or ACT or whatever they called it at the time. As I recall, I did pretty well and got some kind of award from my school as a result - don't remember what it was but it was on a morning after no sleep the night before and ingestion of lots of bad things.

Years later I got to know John Sinclair, who was a local Detroit gadabout. He was producing jazz shows and wasn't really a bad guy. My father of course, hated him and one day we went out to lunch and this guy walks by and says hi. I said hi back to him, he said "good to see you" and walked on. My dad asked me who he was. "John Sinclair," I told him and watched his head prepare to explode. "You KNOW him?" he asked incredulously. "That xxxxxxxx and xxxxxx and xxxxxx!!!!"

 

 

 

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Reply by dvogler, Jun 8.

Great Story!

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Reply by dmcker, Jun 8.

Ah, youth!  And plunging the detonator on dads' heads...

Strangely enough have a similar story about the SATs, one that had slipped my mind for decades until reading yours, Greg. Mine being in SoCal (and the test site in Oxnard of all places) it involved an early morning carchase through the ground fog between lima bean and strawberry fields, along Eucalyptus windbreak tunnels (in a worked-on Plymouth Valiant of my dad's that I just took without asking because my Chevy was in the shop and my mom's Volvo stationwagon was too slow), avoiding sheriffs because of that aforementioned previous 'ingestion'. Evaded, arrived just on time, tested, and also did well enough for recognitions, LOL.

So are test results going to be going up in Oakland?

 

Darren: notice how he keeps avoiding actually doing a writeup on his visit?  ;-)

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Reply by dvogler, Jun 9.

DM:

I think it's a work in progress.  Or there's intent to progress on a work!  I'm fine with it as long as he has actual notes and not relying on memory.

What year Valiant are you speaking of?  I had a friend who had a 1969 Valiant.  It was a blast.

 

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Reply by dmcker, Jun 9.

It was a '61 or '62 (for the life of my can't remember right now) 4-door Plymouth Valiant (Dodge Lancer was the counterpart). Came when we got it 2nd hand in red, and after plenty of work in the engine compartment we painted it blue. You either loved or hated its looks (I leaned towards the latter), but I surprised a few people with it after we tweaked it upon purchase. The sneers terminated quickly. Not up to the 'cudas they were putting out then, but still respectable. My dad was going through a regrets and revisals phase to his car purchasing by that time, as he muttered 'I wish I had back all the money I've spent on cars up to now'. This was the start of a move away from English sports cars to stealthy, healthy stock beasts. Or mini-beasts, anyway.

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Reply by vin0vin0, Jun 9.

"Care to regale us with your experimentation VV?  Surely it was in the Summer of Love ;)"

DV, not much to tell really, never dabbled in anything much stronger than pot, hash and the occasional Thai stick, mainly in my college days (late 70's so I was just a bit young to have gotten wrapped up in the Summer of Love).

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Reply by dvogler, Jun 9.

Oops, I didn't mean to make you out to be that old! ;)

 

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Reply by JonDerry, Jul 24.

Heck of a thread! GregT, sounds like some shows I would've thoroughly enjoyed.

I mostly dodged the harder stuff in college myself. Had such tame high school years, mostly spent out on the links, that all the alcohol and marijuana was enough for me.

Did have this one episode in Amsterdam with mushrooms though. Some of the guys in the hostel we were staying at got some mushroom material that was baked in to these chocolate kit kat type sticks. Was supposed to take two, but thought one and a half to be more prudent, and good thing cause I don't think I could've gotten higher without getting sick. I remember just an increased intensity to everything. The (ugly) girl hanging around the hostel before being on shrooms became something I couldn't look at and had to get away from on shrooms. Once free of that conversation, I was so happy I really wanted to start giving advice to people I passed by on the street. Then we came to a park, and I noticed a Van Gogh museum in the distance, and asked a friend "how many Van Gogh's do you think are in there?" to which he said, in a very St. Louis hick-like way "I don't know, 5, 10, 15, 20?" I was on the floor laughing so hard for so long there was another crowd of 20 something's pointing and laughing with/at me. Fun day to say the least. Never really tried to recreate it because I knew it wouldn't be as good. I took a picture of myself that day that I hope to find. Pretty Jim Morrison-esque and I was around that age.

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Reply by dvogler, Jul 24.

That's hilarious.  I'd love to see that photo.  I had some laughing fits too.  Speaking of Jim Morrison, I'm going to Italy (Piedmont) in September, but flying to Paris and will be there a short time and the only thing I really want to do is visit Jim's grave.  In the days of my laughing fits, I was a Jim Morrison disciple.  I even wrote a letter to Danny Sugerman (who wrote a couple bios and had hung out with Jim) and he called me one day from LA and talked to me for a good half hour or so....1985).  I still have all my Doors LP's, some of them are the original pressing with song sheets.  He died in 2005.

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Reply by GregT, Jul 28.

I've been to that cemetery DV. Didn't stop by Morrison's grave but there are a few that I stopped by, mostly literary types since that's what I was interested in, but not all. Chopin first, didn't know enough to appreciate Rossini or I would have gone there, then Brillat-Savarin, Moliere, Balzac, Proust, Wilde and any number of random stops. It's a pretty big place and there's so much history when you stand in front of someone's tomb and reflect on who they were and the times in which they lived. Weird in a way, since their moldering bones are right there, but interesting anyway.

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Reply by dvogler, Jul 30.

Yeah, I knew about some of those people occupying Parisian soil in Pere Lachaise, Edith Piaf also.

My suspicion is that we'll be on the Champs Elysees and my wife will not want to walk to a cemetery.  A debate will ensue and I'll have to go on my own and meet up later.  Maybe I'll disappear like Jim did!

 


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